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November 7th, 2008 3:03 pm MST
For those of you who still think that the election was close, take a look at these two maps. One shows the counties in their actual size shaded blue or red based on what the population voted.
This map shows each county with a size set by the population. It looks a lot less red.
This is far more of the mandate the George W Bush claimed four years ago, this is a landslide. For those of you that fear a socialist government, let me just state the following:
1. Socialist nations like Denmark, Normay, Sweden and Holland have:
- Highest quality of living
- Highest per capita income
- Highest literacy rates
- Lowest crime rates
- Lowest infant mortality rates
- Things like HRT and SRS are covered by the national health
I've heard a lot of people claim that Obama was a socialist. He's not. I wish he was, but I would have been no more enthusiastic of his candidacy.
Be that as it may, why would socialism be so scary anyway?
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What's wrong with Socialism? Socialism rewards people for nothing, it rewards them just because they were born. That's not right in my view and it acts as a disincentive for people to work to earn what they need and to earn what they want. People that work hard to earn their rewards should not have their hard earned money taken by the government to be distributed as the government sees fit. Give me the choice and I'll take Capitalism over Socialism any day.
Thanx for the humor, thoughts and dedication to the Obama Campaign! While I may have run into some resistance ("THis is not the place") in the Chat room, I felt that we , the "Tranz" community are people too, and that this was an important turning point for our country, and also the world. My daughters are in India, and there was celebration in the small villages. A friend, on a trip to Tanzania a month ago, had a little kid run along side the jeep out of the bush and, pumping his fist in the air, gleefully shout "Obama! Obama!"
That is not so much the change we need, but how much we, as a people have changed. Thank you for doing your part.
That's communism Jon, not socialism. Socialism doesn't "reward". It merely ensures an even chance. An even chance at education, an even chance at health care. It's a level playing field regardless of social class, race or gender. What you do after you get there is up to you. There are homeless people in socialist countries. Just not as many.
There are many great minds working in convenience stores because they can't afford a college education. They might have created the next break through in nano technology, but we'll never know because they'll never get the chance.
The world portrayed in Star Trek is a socialist world. I'm not sure what you are describing, but it's not socialism
We'll have to agree to disagree then... I was not describing communism. Communism is "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". Socialism is a redistribution of the wealth from those that are allegedly wealthy to those that aren't so wealthy. The government taking taxes from my earned income to help subsidize someone's else's health care or someone else's anything, is Socialism and it's something I am not a fan of. We've already moved pretty far from Capitalism, towards Socialism, and we're moving further towards Socialism every day. I'd prefer to stick with Capitalism. It's called Survival of the Fittest. I understand that some people are unable to earn an income and they should be assisted, however, there are a lot of people who choose not to earn an income and they know damn well that our Government will "redistribute the wealth" to enable them to make that choice. That is what I'm against.
Thank you Dan, I agree, there is nothing wrong with Socialism, we are just taught that socialism is evil, and like everything else, as Bush showed us...if you say something enough people will believe it, and believe its the truth.
I cannot believe that people actually think that Capitalism is working, we have been using welfare to support the very poor and welfare to support big business and Capitalism for many years now. Capitalism should support itself without any type of aide...
Basically our system works great if you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth, or extremely lucky. If not, you are outcasts of society, ignored, pitied and forgotten.
For any system to leave people behind, that is the ultimate crime, and we justify it by saying to each other, "they" don't try hard enough, "they" are lazy, or "they" must be on drugs. Or the street people who are ignored and forgotten.
We are told Socialized medicine doesn't work. Again if you can afford the best coverage in the US, buy the best docs you are set. We are told that its difficult to get operations and treatments with Socialized Medicine, but don't we have the same thing here? If you can't afford it you're pretty much screwed, then if you have mediocre coverage, the insurance companies will do everything in their power to DENY coverage.
Yeah, Capitalism is great!
But Jon, its OK to redistribute the wealth to the corporations?? And what we have done in the past mnth is not new, just the first tim that we have done to this scale. I for one am not worried that some poor people get something for nothing. How much money does our corporations make off the backs of people making substandard wages. There is NO "trickle down" theory...the money goes up, from the low income it goes up to the top.
Now, now that we find out what happens when it is so out of whack, because so many jobs have gone over seas, and there is simply not enough money at the bottom to support big business. Face it the system is broken and it will stay this way until the low income and the poor rise up and say enough.
Where did you hear me say that its OK to redistribute the wealth to the corporations. I didn't say that or insinuate that I believed that. If I were president, AIG and all the other Financial Firms and Banks that made bad business decisions would have been left to collapse and stronger, better run firms would have bought them up and prospered. That is how Capitalism works. Same goes for the Auto Industry in this country, they've been screwing up for years now and if they can't survive on their own, they shouldn't survive. Listening to the Powers That Be and the Powers That Will Be talk about bailing them out too makes me cringe. Redistributing the wealth is redistributing the wealth, no matter what direction it's being redistributed in. I don't work hard every day for my money to be taken from me. Sure, things like Roads, Bridges, Schools, the Military, etc. must come from our earnings via Taxation, Our Infrastructure, after that, it's up to the individual whether they want to use their money to help someone else out, that is not the Government's role unless a person is unable to work. We get Tax Deductions for contributing our monies, voluntarily, to Charities that we choose becasue we feel they will use it in a way that we feel is worthwhile. And all this crap about trickling up is, just that, it's crap. If businesses aren't allowed to do well, if they're taxed or regulated to the point where they aren't competitive, they can't hire people, they can't do R&D, they can't hire the best talent and there growth will slow or they'll fail. If that happens, how's the money going to trickle up if people don't have work. We obviously have diametrically opposed views on economics.
Dan, I can't add a single thing to the cogent and articulate arguments that Jon has made in several posts here on the subject of Socialism vs Capitalism. Other than that I agree with him 100%, of course. Increasing my tax burden is 'redistributing' MY wealth - without my consent. That was the reason we fought the war with England in the 1770's...basic high school civics.
Why do people here in America want a 'socialized' government-mandated 'health-care system'? It doesn't work in Canada despite their 18% sales tax plus income tax...it doesn't work in the UK with their outrageous income tax levels (some over 50%). Do people here REALLY want a government bureaucrat telling them when they can get a new heart or liver or lung? It does work in little tiny countries like Sweden and Denmark - but a country with 300 million people? Just not feasible.
One last point - about the 'maps'. No matter how you color it, 52% is still only 52%. That's all Mr Obama got. I (politely, as Jon says) don't agree that's a "clear mandate" for the Democrats.
Thank you....Bob
Dan, and others,
Those of you who believe socialism is the best way are overlooking a very simple and fundemental point. There is no Socialist, Marxist, or Comunist country on earth past or present that has ever passed the Gate Test.
The Gate test is quite simple, When you raise the gates of a caslte [country] do the people rush into it or out of it?
Thousands of Canadians, Britons, Cubans, Chineese, Koreans, Mexicans, et al. Come here EVERY day to get medical care or have a chance to be succesful. Yet you never hear about thousands of Americans leaving America to go to those countries to get medical care or more riches? Why is that? Americans are not flooding into Korea for a chance at success. They don't show up by the millions in Mexico or Cuba to see a doctor. No businesses are relocating to the UK for tax savings.
Each and every point you listed is wholely and completely based on what someone else decides them to be. NOT YOU!
A beaurocrat in the goverment get's to decide what your quality of life is, what is "fair" for your income, when you're literate and have had enough school. YOU don't get decide those things, EVER.... it's not your decision in those countries.
The Goverment makes those decisions for you, and since nobody sofar who has commented is willing to renounce their citizenship and move to Cuba or any of these other utopia's of "fairness", it COMPLETELY and TOTALLY proves that none of you are that convinced it's as grand as you have been led to believe.
No offense Michelle, but that's the dumbest string on nonsense I've ever been subjected to.
The Gate test? Hmm, Norway, Sweden, Holland. I call bullshit. ALL of these countries are socialist and have higher standards of living than anything the United States has ever had.
It really sounds like the wing nuts are out in force predicting gloom and doom. You'll forgive me if I don't pay any heed at all to your "Sky is falling" prophecy
Go whine someplace else. WE won. Get over it.
Dan the string of "nonsense" was the answer to your original question, WHY socialism is bad.... Your only response was to bring up the recent election which has nothing to do with the question you asked. Except perhaps to gloat a little which is fine with me.
Oddly enough, you could not disprove any statement I responded with. Based on the standard of living statements in regards to the USA, It's obvious you have never opened a history book or read a finacial paper from any of the countries you listed.
This is not "predicting doom", it's simply stating the obvious based on centuries of history about the dismal failure of Socialism, Communism, and Marxism.
Have you read a Norwegin Newspaper recently Dan?
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1891543.ece
Or Maybee an Article about How people in Demark are leaving ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/26/business/worldbusiness/26labor.html
Like I said, You have never seen Americans leaving by the millions to go to these countries for a better life for a reason. Yet millions arrive here daily from those countries because they have LIVED under socialism and figured out how screwed up it is.
Feel free to call me crazy and change the subject to something completly unrelated now.........
Sorry Michelle but your ignorance is actually a little painful.
You'll forgive me, but I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
Aww Michelle. How cute. You thought I was flustered. I guess that makes sense. You obviously have a hard time understanding the incredibly obvious.
No worries, I sleep well at night knowing that we won and you lost.